Propane Tank pt. 2 – Protection

With the tank in place it was direction in front of the tires, meaning everything the tires pick up would get thrown at it. It needed some protection.

So I set about doing just that. I started with a very thick coat of car undercoating.  It’s a soft rubber than covers the bottom/wheel wells of most cars to keep road debris from denting and chipping things.  Its nasty stuff, almost tar like when you get it on you, which you inevitably will do….

Undercoated

So that is the first step, and really probably all it needs, but stuff could still get over the top of the tank. We drive in the snow a lot and I didn’t want that to pack in there and get down to the valves on the other side. So I picked up a giant mud flap. Its heavy and thick and should take impacts very very well, that is kinda what it’s designed for. Turns out it’s really hard to cut too.

Big ass mud flap

The mud flap gets bolted to the same bolts that hold the propane tank brackets. Then to the bottom corner of the body just in front of the tire. I need to hold it from flying back into the tire in the wind.

 

Bottom Bolt

This worked pretty well, but the inside corner was pretty “flappy” even after cutting it shorter. So I added a piece of cable to pull it forward. I used an existing slot in the spring hangar to tie it to, hopefully that is enough.

Cable to hold the inside corner
Finished product!

That should keep things off the tank pretty well!

 

One other thing needed to be addressed, I had to climb under the truck to turn the propane on and off, as the valve was hidden against the side of the tool box.  Not fun in mud or snow…. So a 4″ deck plate was added to the side of the box, much easier access, but still not able to fill sadly.

Valve Access

 

That is the end of the propane install, until the tank is empty and the water heater goes in any way.

Propane tank! – Pt. 1

Propane tank time! I had originally planned on using two 20# BBQ style tanks on the back door.  But since we went to diesel for heat, I didn’t think that much was needed. Also running lines all the way to the back, as all the propane needs were at the very front seemed silly (and expensive, and maintenance) so I tried to figure out where else I could fit one.

There was a pretty large gap in front of the wheel on the passenger side, but it was just not the right size for a BBQ tank, so I started to look at other options. I settled on trying to find an ASME tank. They are made for permanent mounting on cars/RV’s and as such have very thick walls, and also do not require hydro testing like BBQ tanks. Win win. They are also many designed for horizontal mounting, unlike BBQ tanks.

Location of choice

Now that I knew what I wanted I had to try to find one. They are stupid expensive new.  Some CL scouring later I found one, It was in decent shape, used, but not rusty. But its was BIG, like 50 pounds of propane big, but with a little coaxing and cursing it looked like it would fit, but only sideways…..

CL Tank

But that was ok, the valves would be protected well, but inaccessible….. The good news about using an ASME tank is that you can set them up for a remote filling station! So I did some googling and a few fittings, some high pressure line and a few AN fittings and we have all the goodies to fill it remotely. But wait, I have to install the fittings and the used tank came 2/3 full. UGH.

Remote fill parts

Well I guess we will just mount the tank and deal with the fill later when its empty. To mount the tank I had to make brackets as of course nothing lined up with nothing to bolt it into place. So brackets were made, they had to bolt through the side of one of the floor cross members since that was in the door way and you can’t just bolt through the floor there, and the front side had to help support the back and be spaced down from the floor 2″, but that one could get bolted up through the floor (well once the fridge was un-installed).

Brackets

After wrestling the tank in and out numerous times I had all the measurements needed to make the brackets. They were simple enough.

Then it was time to loosely bolt the brackets to the tank, wresting it in one more time and try to bolt everything together!

It fits!

And it fit, thank God. Well almost, I had to trim the forward spring hanger a little bit…. The tank and it wanted to occupy the same space. I only removed about 1/4″ of material, I think it should effect the structure.

Clearance!

While the fridge was pulled out I ran the 3/8″ line up to the stove and Wohoo! We have gas.

It works!

I decided to use rubber 3/8″ flare lines for all the connections. The regulator and a T were all there was space for. I was hoping to have a high pressure line also for an outdoor stove. But I just don’t have the room. It may be something I can try to work in later on.

Fridge Install

Kitchen is coming together and it needs a fridge! Cold beer is better than warm beer. We are using a 12/120V marine fridge, that uses a DanFoss compressor. They are very very energy efficient and don’t need to be vented like a propane fired one. With the fridge being under the counter, I didn’t want to have to  to get on my knees to to see in the bottom, so we found a great solution, a drawer fridge! The whole things slides out on drawer type glides. Works great for seeing whats inside. It’s an Isotherm 130 liter unit.

 

Installed and closed
Main drawer

It also has a second smaller drawer and the top is a freezer section. I’m really happy with the fridge. It draws about 2.5% of out battery bank each day. Not bad at all!

Kitchen – Counter tops!

The plywood top and camp stove worked just fine for a couple of trips, but we had now acquired the real stove, a sink and its time to put the counter top in.

We used 18×18 black granite tiles for the top. They were reasonably priced and much lighter than the slab of stone we had originally looked at. I was Leary of using standard tile thinset to stick the tiles in place, there is just so much movement and vibration in a RV,  especially one that does a fair bit of time on forest service roads.

First order of business was to remove the thin crappy ply I had on there and put down a sheet of new 1/2″. Then carefully layout the sink and stove holes. The stove was rather complicated….

Stove layout

So I decided to try using polyurethane caulking to glue them down. Let me tell you that was interesting to trowel on, so much so that I have no pictures at all. Its sticky nasty goop. But it stuck! They took a few days to dry to the point of not moving when pushed on.

Test fitting the weird cuts
Glued in place

After they had dried for a few days, I was able to test fit the stove. There is only about 1/8″ overlap on the edge of this stove so I made the hole very tight, too tight. I was able to come in with a diamond grinder and carve it away just enough to slip it in.

Once that was done we could “grout” it. Just like not wanting to use thinset I didn’t want to use grout, again I was worried about flex. So we used a black silicone caulk.

To do this nicely, you first have to tape off all the grout lines. This will allow you to squirt lots of caulk all over trying to force it into the gaps, and then it also gives you a surface to wipe it down to.

All taped off

Again a messy process, but it turned out well. You need to wipe as much as possible down to the tape line so it can be cleanly peeled off without leaving a ridge at the edge of the tape. Lots of paper towels and take your time.

Half way through

You have to peel the tape before the silicone sets up, don’t worry its not too fast.

“Grouted”

All finished. It turned out really well. The joint look nearly just like grout would, just a little shinier. So far I am really happy with how my unorthodox install worked out.

The First Night!

The day had come! It was done enough to use, we had a bed, heat, and a toilet. The kid was at her grandparents house so we didn’t have to worry about her freezing if something went wrong, it was going to be fun.

Got home from work and quickly packed up our stuff. Threw sheets and blankets on the bed, packed the dog bed and ski stuff and headed out. It was the first long trip we had done, more than 20 miles anyway.

Truck drove great, ran up the pass like it was a little hill.

Threw it in 4×4 and drove through the fresh snow in the parking lot with no trouble.

Lovely!

Made a quick dinner and crashed out as it was pretty late already. Slept very well! Also got the stairs installed before we left so we didn’t need a step ladder anymore.

Steps
Accommodations

It was a great first trip, everything work well! Truck drove great, and we had fun even though it was just one night.

Heat – Yes, heat is good

Heat is good when its 20 degrees outside. We are using a Webasto Airtop st3500, its a diesel or kerosene forced air heater, very efficient, doesn’t suck down power like RV furnaces do, and quite compact.  Its 3500W or almost 12k BTU’s, I was worried this wouldn’t be enough, we were coming from a 40k btu propane furnace in the last truck, turns out its too much!

A couple quirks on these, they soot up at altitude on diesel, they are designed for boats and trucks, not really to be used in ski parking lots. But running them on kerosene makes it an almost non issue. Secondly the fuel pump is basically a metering pump, its a solenoid that pushes a little bit of fuel at set intervals. This means it clicks, loudly, its a pretty common complaint with these heaters. We mounted ours with a rubber quick fist clamp, and used rubber lines to connect to it, but you can still hear it.

Heater under the dinette bench

The heater is installed under the dinette bench. It fits well as its quite small, and there is room under the truck body there for the intake and exhaust. They go straight out the bottom. Cutting the floor out turned out to be quite the challenge however.

Floor section

The floor is 3/16 steel and a lot of bed liner, its was very hard to cut. The heater needs an oval shape for the intake, exhaust and the fuel line.

Most people with diesel vehicles will simply use their gas tank to feed the heater, I chose to run a second tank, this allows me to use kerosene for the heat. For the tank I simply used a 3 gallon plastic boat tank. Its housed behind the tail lights on the drivers side. I used rubber fuel injection line to run from the heater all the way to the back.

Fuel Tank

For the first trip the tank was just strapped to the rear bumper, it was giving me all kinds of trouble. I was not able to get the fuel pump to draw out of the tank. It turns out that the fuel line pickup inside the tank had a large enough diameter that the little fuel pump couldn’t get a prime.

New pickup

So after taking it all apart I was able to heat and squeeze a piece of 3/16 fuel line onto the tank fitting. It works!

Fuel pump was mounted to the spacer between the body and frame. I used the P-Clamp mount that came with the pump originally, but it was really loud. So I found a Quick Grip clamp I had in the garage and wa la, rubber mounting.  The heater manufacturer now sells one that is very similar!

Fuel pump mounted

With the fuel worked out, I let the heater run for a couple hours. It took a LONG time to get fuel moved the 15′ from the tank to the heater, but once the fuel got there it kicked right on and blew hot air!

So I needed to get the exhaust and intakes done. Exhaust needs to be run to the outside of the body, I don’t want it just dumping underneath although it would likely be fine. The exhaust uses a flexible stainless pipe, I ran it out just in front of the tool box on the drivers side. Its just about invisible.

Exhaust outlet

The intake just needed to be able to get fresh air and not suck in water, so I made up an elbow using a copper pipe 45 degree fitting a hose clamp and some screen to keep bugs and critters out. Easy and free.

Intake screen

I made up a couple quick brackets to hold the tank. The attach to the bottom of the box and will hold a plywood floor for the tank.

Tank Brackets

And all installed. The bungee holds it quite securely.

Tank in place

I got a simple heat only thermostat. Runs the furnace well. The issue is its too big! I would likely have been just fine with the 2000W version. The heater kick on and when it hits temp it runs a cool down cycle on the burner which drives the heat up further! I guess its better than being cold. I really didn’t know what it would take, but this one must be far better insulated than our old RV.

 

EDIT to add that someone from Webasto contacted me, they suggest you use the proper fuel line. Its part of the fuel flow regulation I guess. So I did swap all mine out to the correct stuff afterwards.

Basic Systems – Electrical Beginnings

With the Bed done now, we just need a couple more things to make it “usable”, electrical, kitchen counter, and heat (its winter….) so we had a goal of going skiing in about a week, time to thrash and get it ready.

I started with the batteries. We are doing a big bank, 500Ah, its four 250Ah 6 volt AGM batteries, two pairs in series gives us a 12 volt bank. They are heavy, like 100lbs each heavy, so I hefted them all into the truck and worked on layout. They are going in the corner under the bed.

Four 6v Batteries

Wired in series, then parallel to get 12v.

Jumpers connect the batteries

They are set on a sheet of high density foam, this should help keep them a little warmer in the winter, and are secured with heavy ratchet straps and stainless anchors. I also added a lit around them so they cant shift in case of a strap breaking.

All the main circuits run back to this spot. There are a lot of them…. I will be using a Blue Sea 12 circuit fuse block with a ground bus. This all gets mounted to a removable shelf above the batteries. Again the heat shrink self adhesive connectors were used. A spare wire was run over to the kitchen side, I wanted something there in case I ever needed it.

Blue Sea Fuse block

Next I mounted the battery combiner, this is a 600 amp continuous unit  from Heart Interface, I bought it used and its a very simple solenoid. Once the starting batteries have reached their set voltage (adjustable) it will connect the house batteries so the alternators (yes two on this truck) can change the house batteries. Once the truck is shut off it will disconnect them again so we don’t drain the starting batteries. The inverter/charger is the white box. I may have gone a little undersized, but hopefully it will work, its 1250W at 120V and charges at 55 amps.

Electrical Layout

The the battery side of things done I needed to get the kitchen cabinet face made as most of the switches live there. I made face frame out of maple scraps I had, and then a plywood side panel finishes it off. Getting all the dimensions right took me some time. I made the face frame five times…

Kitchen cabinet

You can see the switch location on the right here, its just inside the door and easy to reach from inside or it can just be reach from the ground outside too.

Wired up switch

Switch wires were tucked as tight as possible to the side, as the fridge slides into this spot. There are three switches, one for the exterior light, one for the hall and one for the work lights. There is also two USB plugs and a voltage meter on the same panel.

Switch Panel

Electrical works enough, I simply connect it back to my car battery charger when we get home. I will need to finish running a larger 2/0 cable all the way to the engine compartment at some point…

Next up heat.

Flooring! A real change to the inside.

I was waiting until the bed and dinette benches were in place to do the flooring. As weird as it might sound I wanted to save that 1/2″ of space in my storage areas, also the bed liner on the floor is a nice tough finish for the storage areas.

We had decided on a vinyl plank floor, they are very tough and impervious to water. Both good, dogs tear up floors, and tacking in snow gets them wet. Allure flooring is well regarded in the RV community, its sold at Home Depot, but they only stock a couple colors, everything else takes weeks to get.

We grabbed one, and laid it out. Nope, looks terrible.  Returned this and went to Lowes.

Ugly Grey

Lowes had a few options in stock, and we liked one. A dark brown with a bit of texture, also a bit thicker than the HD stuff.  I laid down a foam underlayment and started to click the floor together. We used a rather expensive underlayment, but its a foam, its more designed to quite walking noise in apartments, but its also insulating (a little) and everything helps against a steel floor. The flooring lays down easily and cuts nicely with a wood blade.

Flooring going in

It took a couple evenings work to get all the floor in, but it looks great and it really changed the feel, its not nearly as ‘industrial’ feeling like the bed liner was.

Water Leaks, and Wiring, its a Build!

Now that the roof is sealed up, I seem to have other places of water ingress….. The marker lights and something in the corners by the cab.

Marker lights, easy fix
Hmmmm No idea on this one

Marker lights are easy, but I don’t really know where the other water is coming in.  A coat of sealant on the lights and we move on. Corners will have to be dealt with later.

On to forward progress, wiring design! This was kind of critical, once the insulation is in there is no changing it. I spent quite a bit of time thinking on electrical. I settled on batteries under the bed, I wanted to try to keep them a little warm as that was an issue in our old truck. We are using four 250Ah 6V AGM batteries, this should provide us with 250 usable amp hours at 12v.

So the forward edge under the bed became the main electrical hub. I needed to run both wiring for 12v, and 120V. We will have a few things that need 120V, coffee maker, microwave, and a plug if laptops etc need to be charged. This will be feed by an inverter or generator/plug in.

I decided on 12/3 wire for the 120v, enough for 20 amp circuits, and 12/2 wire for the 12V, this should keep voltage drop to a minimum. I did run a couple of larger circuits as well, one for the fridge and one for the heater and water pump. The 12v is tinned marine wire, the 120v is stranded copper, it was cheaper just to buy an extension cord than I could buy the wire by the foot.

The first of many deliveries…..

Wiring begun, it was all strung overhead to keep it out of the elements. I am trying to keep as much as possible above the floor.

Main battery area under the bed

The wiring went fairly quick but it took miles of wire. I used an entire 300′ roll of the 12V wiring, and had to run a different wire for all the lights. The other main connection area will be in the kitchen cabinets, the switches will be located here, just inside the door.

Overhead mess!
Passenger side has the main switch area.

That is the bulk of the wiring, a few more circuits here and there, but that’s most of it. Next is furring out the walls and cutting the pass through!

Whistler, Zip Lines and getting Dumped on!

Well the truck cant take all our time, so we headed up to Whislter BC for a quick trip.

Skiing was epic! This is generally crappy snow season, they got something like 34″ while we were there. Totally unexpected, I almost didn’t bring the pow skis!

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There is something to be said about skiing and not seeing your boots all day.

We also took a zip line tour with Super Fly while we were there. Something non of us had really ever done. It was awesome! They take you up the mountain in a tracked UTV, then you go on four different zip lines that crisscross the valley to get back down to the bottom. Really really cool.

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I mean what skier can complain about waking up to this!?

All in all a great little trip!