Heat – Yes, heat is good

Heat is good when its 20 degrees outside. We are using a Webasto Airtop st3500, its a diesel or kerosene forced air heater, very efficient, doesn’t suck down power like RV furnaces do, and quite compact.  Its 3500W or almost 12k BTU’s, I was worried this wouldn’t be enough, we were coming from a 40k btu propane furnace in the last truck, turns out its too much!

A couple quirks on these, they soot up at altitude on diesel, they are designed for boats and trucks, not really to be used in ski parking lots. But running them on kerosene makes it an almost non issue. Secondly the fuel pump is basically a metering pump, its a solenoid that pushes a little bit of fuel at set intervals. This means it clicks, loudly, its a pretty common complaint with these heaters. We mounted ours with a rubber quick fist clamp, and used rubber lines to connect to it, but you can still hear it.

Heater under the dinette bench

The heater is installed under the dinette bench. It fits well as its quite small, and there is room under the truck body there for the intake and exhaust. They go straight out the bottom. Cutting the floor out turned out to be quite the challenge however.

Floor section

The floor is 3/16 steel and a lot of bed liner, its was very hard to cut. The heater needs an oval shape for the intake, exhaust and the fuel line.

Most people with diesel vehicles will simply use their gas tank to feed the heater, I chose to run a second tank, this allows me to use kerosene for the heat. For the tank I simply used a 3 gallon plastic boat tank. Its housed behind the tail lights on the drivers side. I used rubber fuel injection line to run from the heater all the way to the back.

Fuel Tank

For the first trip the tank was just strapped to the rear bumper, it was giving me all kinds of trouble. I was not able to get the fuel pump to draw out of the tank. It turns out that the fuel line pickup inside the tank had a large enough diameter that the little fuel pump couldn’t get a prime.

New pickup

So after taking it all apart I was able to heat and squeeze a piece of 3/16 fuel line onto the tank fitting. It works!

Fuel pump was mounted to the spacer between the body and frame. I used the P-Clamp mount that came with the pump originally, but it was really loud. So I found a Quick Grip clamp I had in the garage and wa la, rubber mounting.  The heater manufacturer now sells one that is very similar!

Fuel pump mounted

With the fuel worked out, I let the heater run for a couple hours. It took a LONG time to get fuel moved the 15′ from the tank to the heater, but once the fuel got there it kicked right on and blew hot air!

So I needed to get the exhaust and intakes done. Exhaust needs to be run to the outside of the body, I don’t want it just dumping underneath although it would likely be fine. The exhaust uses a flexible stainless pipe, I ran it out just in front of the tool box on the drivers side. Its just about invisible.

Exhaust outlet

The intake just needed to be able to get fresh air and not suck in water, so I made up an elbow using a copper pipe 45 degree fitting a hose clamp and some screen to keep bugs and critters out. Easy and free.

Intake screen

I made up a couple quick brackets to hold the tank. The attach to the bottom of the box and will hold a plywood floor for the tank.

Tank Brackets

And all installed. The bungee holds it quite securely.

Tank in place

I got a simple heat only thermostat. Runs the furnace well. The issue is its too big! I would likely have been just fine with the 2000W version. The heater kick on and when it hits temp it runs a cool down cycle on the burner which drives the heat up further! I guess its better than being cold. I really didn’t know what it would take, but this one must be far better insulated than our old RV.

 

EDIT to add that someone from Webasto contacted me, they suggest you use the proper fuel line. Its part of the fuel flow regulation I guess. So I did swap all mine out to the correct stuff afterwards.

Basic Systems – Electrical Beginnings

With the Bed done now, we just need a couple more things to make it “usable”, electrical, kitchen counter, and heat (its winter….) so we had a goal of going skiing in about a week, time to thrash and get it ready.

I started with the batteries. We are doing a big bank, 500Ah, its four 250Ah 6 volt AGM batteries, two pairs in series gives us a 12 volt bank. They are heavy, like 100lbs each heavy, so I hefted them all into the truck and worked on layout. They are going in the corner under the bed.

Four 6v Batteries

Wired in series, then parallel to get 12v.

Jumpers connect the batteries

They are set on a sheet of high density foam, this should help keep them a little warmer in the winter, and are secured with heavy ratchet straps and stainless anchors. I also added a lit around them so they cant shift in case of a strap breaking.

All the main circuits run back to this spot. There are a lot of them…. I will be using a Blue Sea 12 circuit fuse block with a ground bus. This all gets mounted to a removable shelf above the batteries. Again the heat shrink self adhesive connectors were used. A spare wire was run over to the kitchen side, I wanted something there in case I ever needed it.

Blue Sea Fuse block

Next I mounted the battery combiner, this is a 600 amp continuous unit  from Heart Interface, I bought it used and its a very simple solenoid. Once the starting batteries have reached their set voltage (adjustable) it will connect the house batteries so the alternators (yes two on this truck) can change the house batteries. Once the truck is shut off it will disconnect them again so we don’t drain the starting batteries. The inverter/charger is the white box. I may have gone a little undersized, but hopefully it will work, its 1250W at 120V and charges at 55 amps.

Electrical Layout

The the battery side of things done I needed to get the kitchen cabinet face made as most of the switches live there. I made face frame out of maple scraps I had, and then a plywood side panel finishes it off. Getting all the dimensions right took me some time. I made the face frame five times…

Kitchen cabinet

You can see the switch location on the right here, its just inside the door and easy to reach from inside or it can just be reach from the ground outside too.

Wired up switch

Switch wires were tucked as tight as possible to the side, as the fridge slides into this spot. There are three switches, one for the exterior light, one for the hall and one for the work lights. There is also two USB plugs and a voltage meter on the same panel.

Switch Panel

Electrical works enough, I simply connect it back to my car battery charger when we get home. I will need to finish running a larger 2/0 cable all the way to the engine compartment at some point…

Next up heat.

Flooring! A real change to the inside.

I was waiting until the bed and dinette benches were in place to do the flooring. As weird as it might sound I wanted to save that 1/2″ of space in my storage areas, also the bed liner on the floor is a nice tough finish for the storage areas.

We had decided on a vinyl plank floor, they are very tough and impervious to water. Both good, dogs tear up floors, and tacking in snow gets them wet. Allure flooring is well regarded in the RV community, its sold at Home Depot, but they only stock a couple colors, everything else takes weeks to get.

We grabbed one, and laid it out. Nope, looks terrible.  Returned this and went to Lowes.

Ugly Grey

Lowes had a few options in stock, and we liked one. A dark brown with a bit of texture, also a bit thicker than the HD stuff.  I laid down a foam underlayment and started to click the floor together. We used a rather expensive underlayment, but its a foam, its more designed to quite walking noise in apartments, but its also insulating (a little) and everything helps against a steel floor. The flooring lays down easily and cuts nicely with a wood blade.

Flooring going in

It took a couple evenings work to get all the floor in, but it looks great and it really changed the feel, its not nearly as ‘industrial’ feeling like the bed liner was.

Steel – Bed frame and Walls, and some Cabinets too

Now that the interior walls and ceiling are done, we can start on the interior structure, the walls and bed, dinette etc. I am framing the back storage area on the passenger side out of the steel tube, this allows me to insulate it form the living area and gives enough structure to hold the bathroom wall in place.

Wall Framing

The wall framing is in place here, it give me 12″ deep storage on the passenger side. Its made from 1″ tube so that I can put 1″ rigid insulation inside the wall space.

Bed frame in place

The bed frame is also made from steel, it will have gas struts on it so that it is able to be lifted from the inside. This is going to be a main storage area. I will put slats of 3/8″ plywood down on top of the steel frame, this will allow the mattress to breathe.  It was an issue with out last RV, it had solid plywood under the bed, and it would get condensation build up.

 

1/2″ plywood is used for the divider between the bathroom area and the bed.  It will get a curtain so no door is needed. The lower bed frame is made from 3/4″ to support the steel frame. This makes up most of the rear structure. There is 18″ under the bed, allows for good storage space, but also with a 8″ mattress it doesn’t feel too tall to sit on the edge of.

Next up is the cabinet between the bed and dinette, we decided not to go full height on it, but only 5′ tall. It was going to feel too cave like and make the space feel so much smaller full height. We still get good privacy in the bed, you really cant see the bed from each other, even sitting up.

The cabinet is three sections, two drawers down low, one for garbage and recycle one for a pantry. The upper section will be an open shelf to the dinette side. I got in a bit of a hurry and forgot to take pics as I built it. After having it installed, I should have used 3/4″ ply, it doesn’t have much lateral stability being mostly open and so tall. I think it should work fine though. Its anchored to the floor with small aluminum brackets.

Tall cabinet

The front of the cabinet also makes up the back of the dinette. So next step to getting closer to using it is the bench. Just a simple box.

Dinette face
In Place
As if your standing in the door.

Its pretty open really, the blue tape will be the cabinet line for the kitchen.

Smaller Side

Repeat building the box for the other side and we have the basic dinette. The seat/tops are just a scrap I had, they were replaced with 3/8″ ply.

The small side will house the heater and water pump.  The heater is a Webasto AirTop 3500, it runs on kerosene or diesel, and is quite energy efficient.

Heater and water Pump

With that done I cut and installed all the slats for the bed. Too light to walk on without the mattress but solid with it on.

Bed Slats

Another little time lapse of the weekend.

Basic systems so we can use it come next!

Interior Continued – Cedar Ceiling

Not that the wall panels are in, we can start working on the ceiling. Yes normally the ceiling would go in first, but we were thinking about what to use and I figured on a trim piece in the corners anyway.

My wife thought using the birch ply on the ceiling would make for far too much of the same material, I was skeptical, but she was absolutely right. I love how the ceiling turned out.

We used tongue and groove cedar boards, it’s about 1/4″ thick and very light weight. It smells AMAZING. Just like the sides, it gets a dab of constriction adhesive and gets micro pin nailed in place.

Starting on the front wall.

It was hard to not get joints staggered, there are only so many options on where to break the boards, ribs are every 24″ in the ceiling.

Fitting the lights

It was much slower work with each piece going on individually, having to cut each piece to fit, cut out the light holes and all that, but it came out wonderfully.

The lights we are using are 3W warm white LED’s there are 10 of them, I switched them in banks. The ones over the “hall” consist of one above the door, and two in the walkway between the kitchen and dinette, those are on one switch. The “work” bank is two over the kitchen counter, and two over the dinette. The one over each bed, and one in the bathroom. It kinda made for a lot of switches and wires…. I was worried they would not be bright enough, but its plenty of light. These are the lights, I am really happy with them after a couple years now. Great color and plenty of light. Amazon Link

Most of the way done, I added some spray foam around the fan holes, just to keep cold air from moving under the ceiling, there is a little gap between the insulation and the boards. You can see my temporary lighting solution.

Almost done

And all the ceiling boards on!

Ready to sand

I used a clear polyurethane on the ceiling. I had to sand it before application, the cedar had a fair bit of sap droplets to sand off, and it will make the finish much more even. After a quick sand my shoulders were killing me. The ceiling is about 7’6 ish and man that was hard overhead work. But I then broke out a rag and started to get finish on it. Three coats are recommended, I did one, I just couldn’t keep my arms up there any more. It’s not going to be a wear surface.

Finish bringing the color out
All finished!
Pretty

It came out so much better than I could have expected. Really glad we used this on the ceiling.

With the finish on, I could pop the LED lights in and see if it was enough light! I had only hooked one to a battery to test ( I had to order multiple packs so I ordered one first to try out), luckily they were nice a bright.

I used self adhesive heat shrink crimp connectors for all the connections. They are lovely, waterproof, vibration resistant, and pretty easy to use. A heat gun is definitely a big help, they take a lot more heat than you would think to melt and shrink.

Electrical connectors

The lights pop in with spring clips and fit the holes nicely. My electrical plan that looked good on paper is a little weird looking…. Oh well.

They look nice and subtle
They work!

Tested the light by simply hooking them to my battery charger, they work and light up the space well! They look pretty nice too. The warm white is so much nicer than most “industrial” bright white that LED’s come in.

The start of the Interior

Now that its insulated we can start building the interior! Its been a lot of work to get here, but there is so much more to go.

For the interior walls we are using a 1/4″ plywood, its prefinished birch. Reasonably cheap, just cut and install, not finishing needed. Its not the lightest, but works well. To install I used more construction adhesive (i think there are 9 quart tubes behind the walls and ceiling!) and micro pin nails. I’m happily surprised the nails hold really well.

First panel up!

I started with the easy square one…. Good practice anyway! I will come back and cut the windows from the outside with a router, this way the inside and outside holes match perfectly.

Second panel

All these were cut with my old skill saw and a jog saw. Nothing fancy. I did my best to break the panels on windows, that way there were no seams running right net to them.

Curve around the door
Sides done.

With the sides done we can install the windows. Ran into some issues here. I should have used a wood strip around the windows, not just the foam, this would have kept the correct wall thickness. I ended up having to shim the interior plywood out to make the walls the required 2″ for the windows to clamp too.

Lots of glue an shims to make it right

But with the windows in we are starting to get somewhere!

Inside of the windows. clamp rings screwed on
Outside liberally coated with goop

Windows were a big step. Tons more light and feels way more open. Ceiling goes in next.
I made a quick time lapse of the weekends work. There are some previews of what’s to com in the next post as well.

 

Furring in the walls and Insulation

The walls are bare aluminum, there is a rib every 12″ that is one inch deep. We need a couple things here, 1″ is not enough insulation, we camp in sub freezing a lot and more is better. Also we need something to attach the inner skin of the wall to.  Also a vapor barrier is needed to keep the wall cavities dry and to keep the mold out.

So to do this, I cut strips of 3/4″ plywood down to screw and glue to each of the aluminum ribs.

Wall structure

This will give us 1 3/4″ of insulation, we are using polyiso spray foam, its R6.6 per inch, that will give us about R11.5 in the walls. The spray foam is also a very good vapor barrier, so we get a bonus there too.

The strips were glued on with construction adhesive and self tapping screws every 12″. They are quite solid. 1/4″ plywood is going to be used for the interior skin.

Furring strips on he walls.

The ceiling (which apparently I didn’t take any pics of, will get 4″ of foam. I used 1/2″ plywood and 2″ foam board strips to furr it down. The ribs on the ceiling are much larger.

Getting ready for insulation, you can see the ceiling furring here.

Everything you don’t want covered with foam gets covered, all the wires get taped down, and attached wherever possible. If not the foam can get behind them and push them off the wall. it goes on as nearly a liquid and expands as it cures.

I looked at doing a DIY spray foam kit, I have used them in the past, but this is large enough I would have needed two kits, its messy and just an all around pain. I decided to hire an insulation contractor to spray it. Money well spent IMO. If you do use the DIY kits, find and old cooler that the tanks fit in, and fill ti with very hot water, they work best when the tanks are above 70 ish degrees.

Lots to do before the insulation guys show up….

Getting ready for insulation was a lot more work than I expected…. Everything that goes inside the walls has to be in place. Once the foam is in there is no changing or adding things. I had a big list.

Insulation starting!

The insulation guys showed up! They set up fans to ventilate and got to spraying. The two part foam expands and cures in place after its sprayed. Its closed cell, wont absorb moisture, and adds a lot of structure back to the truck, it glues itself on very very well….

Once they are done spraying, it looks like a very messy frosting job on a cake, then the dirty part starts, they grind it all back down flush to the furring strips we added. Two guys with grinders makes a lot of foam dust and chunks.

All insulated
After Grinding Smooth

After grinding it smooth they came back to make sure no spots were too thin and nothing got missed. It immediately made it not sound hollow inside any more. I need to come back later and insulate under the floor. Its something I will do myself later on.

We ended up with R 11.5 in the walls and about R 28 in the ceiling. Its nicely insulated.

More big holes, its time for Windows and Doors

Now that the truck and box are connected its time to make it feel more like a livable space, I need windows! The windows were ordered from Motion windows. They will make any size or shape you need. I ordered all of them double pane, this was the big one for me. A bit of insulation value and they don’t fog/drip quite as much. They all also open, and have screens, which should help a bit as we don’t have any AC.

I started with the Door, it was an ebay special, lots available there, but the UPS guys definitely had their way with it. It will still work, just some dents around the edges.

Hole was cut with a skill saw on the straight parts and a jig saw for the curves.

Door hole!

Door was installed with polyurethane caulk and stainless screws. Gives some scale to the truck. That is an 8 foot ladder…..

Door installed

That was the easy one, now onto windows. The windows have a 3″ corner radius, I used a 6″ hole saw to make the four corners, then connected the holes with a skill saw for the straight lines. They are sandwiched together with the inside panels, so I can only temporarily install then before the inside is done.

 

Four holes for the corners
Connect the dots
Big window hole.
Taped in place.

The tape keeps the window in place and the water mostly out. There is one big window where the dinette is, one in the kitchen, and one above the bed. Hopefully that’s enough venting. I wanted as much natural light as possible, but had to balance cabinet/storage space as well.

A preview, and two windows

Two windows you can see here, and a little preview of the next chapter, furring the walls and ceiling in.

Larrabee State Park

Small campground at a relatively large state park, really close to the beach and lots of trails. Tons of great beach walking/views.  We spent hours on the beach watching the sunset and playing in tidal pools . The campground is basically one large loop (with an inner road), the sites on the outside of the loop have no services but more privacy and on the inside of the loop have hookups but no privacy at all.

Good- small campground, very clean, other campers are quiet, campground is very quiet (except for the occasional train–see negative), clean bathrooms with soap, and nice hosts.  Nice well maintained trails to the beach areas, the fastest one is by site 33 that is .3 miles to the boat launch.  They also have a playground / field to the south of the campground, probably 5 minute walk from the campground.

Bad- there are  trains, the train noise is loudest at the south campsites but it is still loud everywhere.  I would not recommend sites 41-51 & 1-18, those are closest to the track or close to both track and hwy 11 (double negative).   However, trains only came 2x during the night for us, so it was not a big deal but a sign by the bathroom says they can come 16x in 1 day.  The train did not bother us, we kind of liked the brief change in sounds.

Note: Parking pads are small, for sites that allow a maximum of a “van/camper” , i would say max of a 26 foot RV, for sites that allow small trailer, they could accommodate up to maybe a 30 foot RV.   I wouldn’t recommend RVs over 32 feet in the campground at all.   Two small loops in the south-end do not allow RVs at all but i do not recommend those loops because the sites are small and close to the train.

Overall we would come here again, it was amazingly peaceful, relaxed campground,  a much welcome relief to those large campgrounds.

Site Recommendation:

We  had site 38- really nice site, next to a rocky hill, private, medium size.  We stayed site 38, nice site, advertised for tent & van/camper but our 25 foot rig fit just perfect.  Would not fit anything larger   Both neighbors are far away and a small creek  adds to the “outdoor” sounds.   The site backs to a large hill with lots of large boulders, Jamie had a blast climbing them, and the hill relieves some of the train noise.

Recommended sites: 34-38, 29-33 — these sites are further from the train and further from hwy 11.  My fav were probably 29, 34, 36, or 38.

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Window replacements and cab seals.

We left off with a big new hole in the truck. Plastic works to cover it, but not exactly what we are going for.

So A gasket was ordered, its a rubber accordion shaped seal, its made to slip over a lip on either side. e left a lip around the hole in the box, that as easy, but we need to fill in the holes where the window was, and shape a lip around the back of the cab.

A little CAD (cardboard aided design) and we have templates for the window. I used the piece of the back wall cut out of the box, it has ribs in it take make for nice strong panels and was just big enough.

Ready to cut

They were cut using a jig saw and skill saw, then trail fit many many times, a little grinder work each time and finally they fit in place nicely. Some sealant and a few bolts hold them in place.

Just imagine the same thing on the other side.

Now we need to finish cutting the hole, if you remember I left the bottom not done. This took some serious doing, I went trough four carbide tipped blades trying to cut that Little bit off.

Once that is cut and the window panels are in place we can start to fit the gasket. The gasket is from Uni Grip, they makes lots of different ones. Its made for a nice straight flange, I have the back of a cab wall, not straight or the right size.

The seal was glued in place with polyurethane caulk, after hammering it onto the lip all the way around it seems to fit well! We have a connected box and truck!

Gluing the ends of the seal
Connected!

Next up is more holes for doors and windows.